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Post by werewolf on Apr 14, 2010 21:45:05 GMT -5
Are you really black then, Dog?
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Post by maddogblues on Apr 15, 2010 10:44:28 GMT -5
Are you really black then, Dog? No. Irish and German. I do have a vivid memory of black people and other minorities being legislated against though and it always pissed me off.
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Post by werewolf on Apr 16, 2010 12:29:37 GMT -5
Are you really black then, Dog? No. Irish and German. I do have a vivid memory of black people and other minorities being legislated against though and it always pissed me off. Legislated against? I have far more vivid memories of the horrors inflicted upon countless millions of innocent people by black savages, forced integration, and equalitarian propaganda - the reduction of our once great cities to the bestial savagery of the African jungle. The Ruins of Detroitwww.white-history.com/hwrdet.htmPrez
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Post by maddogblues on Apr 16, 2010 16:03:38 GMT -5
No. Irish and German. I do have a vivid memory of black people and other minorities being legislated against though and it always pissed me off. Legislated against? I have far more vivid memories of the horrors inflicted upon countless millions of innocent people by black savages, forced integration, and equalitarian propaganda - the reduction of our once great cities to the bestial savagery of the African jungle. The Ruins of Detroitwww.white-history.com/hwrdet.htmPrez Yes segregation was the law of the land. It was white people who made a lot of money building 'projects' for the blacks migrating from the south to live in. White people are, as far as I can see, the reason that Black culture is seen as a problem. Their culture is not a problem for them. What you have referred to as a 'jungle' is actually the effect that followed naturally after putting these people in confines like 'projects' and then placing them on welfare where all they could do was stay in their room and eat with food stamps. So after white people did this, well meaning white people I might add, the reality you spoke of was created. It's like they put them in ad hoc prisons. Causes of crime are variously interpreted. There is the 'puritan' view which I assume you hold. By this view if you cannot lift yourself up by your own boot straps then you obviously are out of favor with God. Another view of the cause of crime looks at more than the pimples ( crime rate) to evaluate what is being seen. As nothing can be understood apart from the environment in which it occurs, crime needs to be analyzed in the context of its environment which includes the factors that comprise the life of those committing crime. I was radicalized at the age of 14 when I first saw 'white only' signs in Washington D.C At that point I understood America was a fraud.
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Post by werewolf on May 6, 2010 21:53:49 GMT -5
Blacks should have been left alone in their natural habitat in sub-Saharan west central Africa. Abe Lincoln's plan was to send them all back to Africa, but they killed him first. They only print half of what he said on the wall in the Lincoln Monument in Washington, deliberately distorting his message.
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Post by maddogblues on May 7, 2010 9:50:03 GMT -5
Blacks should have been left alone in their natural habitat in sub-Saharan west central Africa. Abe Lincoln's plan was to send them all back to Africa, but they killed him first. They only print half of what he said on the wall in the Lincoln Monument in Washington, deliberately distorting his message. Glad to see you back. You were missed. Around beginning of the 20th century there was Marcus Garvey who wanted to do what you suggested. www.marcusgarvey.com/This book is something that I learned a lot from about the experience that black people felt and how some reacted. librivox.org/souls-of-black-folks-by-web-du-bois/
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Post by werewolf on May 7, 2010 11:57:36 GMT -5
You said you weren't black, right, Dog? So what is all this crap about identifying with blacks? If you were black I could understand it. Have you ever been around blacks, and I don't mean selected tame upper class specimens, but your basic down home street blacks. Unfortunately I have. I know what I'm talking about.
ww
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Post by az on May 7, 2010 18:14:41 GMT -5
Get Smart is surely the best comedy ever made . And those poor bastards in England never got to see it. They don't know what they're missing
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Post by maddogblues on May 7, 2010 18:31:54 GMT -5
You said you weren't black, right, Dog? So what is all this crap about identifying with blacks? If you were black I could understand it. Have you ever been around blacks, and I don't mean selected tame upper class specimens, but your basic down home street blacks. Unfortunately I have. I know what I'm talking about. ww I am black in the sense that society hates the kind of person I am. I do not regard color or ethnicity as being of any special importance. It's how you treat me that counts. I understand fairness. Black people have never been treated fairly in America because of the 'values' that America has. Go back to the first illegal immigrants in this country. They were White Christians from Europe. The first thing they began to do after getting help from the natives was to kill them and / or drive them off the lands they were using. Then they began to do that with people of different religions, Quakers, Catholics, Jews and now Muslims. The next thing these Christians did was to declare that 'private property' was a genuine concept and with the power of guns and made up law (lessness) began enforcing that concept. You can see how that has ended up. Marx may have been right in thinking 'private property' is analogous to theft. This song presents an idea with a different outcome than Christians have proposed.
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Post by maddogblues on May 7, 2010 18:33:55 GMT -5
Get Smart is surely the best comedy ever made . And those poor bastards in England never got to see it. They don't know what they're missing My girl friend at the time of the show was nick named '99'. She should have been named '69'. She became my wife. I did enjoy that show Az.
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Post by werewolf on May 8, 2010 21:01:52 GMT -5
"Go back to the first illegal immigrants in this country. They were White Christians from Europe. "
No they weren't.
Also, you don't know anything about Blacks - and the over one million violent crimes they commit annually in the USA alone, a prehistoric race of savages that never even invented the wheel or a system of writing.
And AZhole here, in Australia, who's not very bright to begin with, probably never even met one, except on tv or maybe a tame specimen someplace. Australians - who mass murdered their native Australoid population - are some of the worst hypocrites in existence.
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Post by maddogblues on May 8, 2010 21:53:40 GMT -5
"Go back to the first illegal immigrants in this country. They were White Christians from Europe. " No they weren't. Also, you don't know anything about Blacks - and the over one million violent crimes they commit annually in the USA alone, a prehistoric race of savages that never even invented the wheel or a system of writing. And AZhole here, in Australia, who's not very bright to begin with, probably never even met one, except on tv or maybe a tame specimen someplace. Australians - who mass murdered their native Australoid population - are some of the worst hypocrites in existence. ww I don't claim to be the brightest bulb in the box. But I think you and I have had different life experiences which lead us to appraise things differently. My folks came from turn of the century NYC (close by) They always related to me the ethnic differences of neighborhoods etc . My father did not speak highly of Jews or Syrians when he did business with them. He told me the Syrians were worse than the Jews. 'They'd cut your throat for a dime' is how he said it. I don't know about Syrians, but I know my father did business with Jews in central NY and he told me they were not the same kind of people. He told me there was the New York Jew and then just the Jew. He did not like his experiences in NYC with those two ethnic groups. Those are the only ethnic groups I ever heard him speak harshly of. He was not prejudice about blacks in the way you are. However he did hold the traditional idea that they were inferior in some way. I saw this while working with him. We did refrigeration work. Our customer was a potato farmer who hired black migrants (at that time they were black) but he had several who had been there for years and stayed on all year long and were a necessary part of the farm operation. They were competent men. If the owner had died they could have run the farm and maintained the equipment. One time my dad and I were there working on the potato barn cooler. He did have a cabbage barn as well. We got a lot of money from him and he was as tight with a penny as anyone could be. My brother told me he was fed up with Anthony's whining. Well anyhow dad and I were working on the cooler. It was an ancient belt driven thing. Good thing about those machines was that they either died outright or they could be fixed fairly simply. We had gotten done and the black men, the regular maintainence men, had stopped by and one asked about it. My father was a kind man. He would not offend anyone on purpose. But he spoke from the prejudice that is the heart of our culture. He began to answer, automatically, and then said you wouldn't understand it'. These were men who could fix any machinery on the farm and because they were black my father assumed that they could not understand a new idea about refrigeration mechanics. I spoke to my dad about that on the way back to the shop. He had insulted them, he had demeaned them he did it because they were black and he did not have a clue that he had done it.I can see the men now. Three big black men. Hands the size of hams wearing gray overalls. I saw in their reaction that they understood what my father meant but did not say. I could see the were offended. Rightfully so in my opinion. I understood what my father had done and my father didn't. My mother told me about something that she did, quite innocently. She was asked by the school to pick a beach location for a school picnic. She chose one of the nicer beaches. However it was closed to Jews. Mom told me that story. America is home to prejudice. Jews, Catholics, Muslims, Irish, Germans, Natives, blacks Polaks. Just about anyone but WASPS were suspicious to true Americans. Mom told me she never gave it a thought that the beach was a segregated beach. She was a little dim. But I recall a very very hot summer day and her making a pitcher of lemonade for the black garbage man. I can see her now walking out over the back yard to the road with the pitcher, and the men sweating and drinking it and being grateful for a kindness. It is experiences like these that make me what I am with regard to racial things. I do not know how it is that you can feel this way. Perhaps your experience is different from mine. I don't hate all white men because some of them were fucking my wife. Yeah black people commit crime. But the biggest crime of all time was committed by white people and this country is on its knees because of it. Would you care to share your experiences with black people?
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Post by werewolf on May 9, 2010 11:29:39 GMT -5
"He was not prejudice about blacks in the way you are. However he did hold the traditional idea that they were inferior in some way."
It is self-evident. All one needs to do is observe the way Negroes live anywhere and everywhere past present and future. Your father did not complain about Negroes much because New York City was a magnificent place up until the 1960's when integration destroyed the neighborhoods, actually started in the 50's when they started building "projects" in formerly insular neighborhoods all over the city, but you can look at old films and movies of NYC - liek subway scenes, like the 64-65 Worlds Fair, and you will see a city comprised mainly of civilized White people. What negroes there were were confined to Harlem, and if they were in places where they didn't belong the police would stop them and ask them what their business was. That's why people in NYC back then didn't even have to lock their doors, or used a screen door - before air conditioning - which anyone could push through, and building entrance buzzers and locked up alleyways were unknown.
I could take you on a tour of negro neighborhoods in NYC on a balmy summer night - you and little AZhole here - and drop you off for a while and let you walk around on your own for a while - and then let's see what tune you're whistling about all races being teh same and bla bla bla. God knows I've spent enough time in those hell holes.
Wash. DC public schools used to be known as the best in the country. Not one of our "lords and masters" in congess, senate, white house, sends their offspring to any of them now, including Soetoro's picaninnies. Wonder why. Wonder what's changed to Newburgh, NY since 1950 when it was voted Life Magazine's most livable city in America to now.
Anyway, I shall waste no more time on this nonsense. A quick tour for you characters in Bedford-Stuyvesant-Brownsville, Brooklyn (once a beautiful peaceful highly desirable quiet neighborhood) would work far better than words, especially after you've gotten mugged.
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Post by maddogblues on May 9, 2010 12:39:44 GMT -5
I know the details you speak of. I interpret them differently.
Yes NYC was different in the 40's and before.
Do recall any of the history of the great migration of the black families in the South to the North?
There were social pressures which caused the migration. Then liberal whites took it upon themselves to 'help' the negro. They began very early on to create the system we have today.
It's one symptom of the multifaceted problems that are created within a society has dabbled too long with the notion of racial superiority. But it is not by any means the cause. In order to see this phenomenon more comprehensively the historical time line in which this took place is necessary to be considered.
What social pressures within the environment of the South contributed to this? What was attractive in the North? I am a believer that a thing cannot be understood unless understood in the environment in which it takes place. In this place we are talking about a couple generations of time involving freed slaves who were still disenfranchised in the society.
The North was just becoming industrialized and factories needed employees. They came to Detroit, Chicago and NYC looking for work and escaping the legalized segregation of the South. I recall reading an account of one of these migrants talking of how she came to realize that she could sit in the front of the bus and no one would think anything of it. This type of experience contributed to the migration. It is one of the largest migrations in human history. At least in the 20th century.
It was the state and landlords that created the projects and slums. Harlem was a great community. Vibrant, alive, creative.
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